Convos 4 01-01-05

[Ryan]

taylorserveshard: hello
ryansurvivor1984: hi
ryansurvivor1984: the loss sucks
taylorserveshard: I know
taylorserveshard: but then again I guess we can cut the fat
ryansurvivor1984: true that will help us
ryansurvivor1984: who are you thinking
taylorserveshard: either lil steve or tony
taylorserveshard: I think tony trys
ryansurvivor1984: but tony lost
taylorserveshard: very true
taylorserveshard: but this challenge was also about luck as well
ryansurvivor1984: true but at 11:30 that thing was open and was open for twenty mins
taylorserveshard: I wasn't there, but I don't know
taylorserveshard: I just feel Tony does more
taylorserveshard: and could help us more later on
ryansurvivor1984: how much longer do you think we'll be in tribes
taylorserveshard: no clue
taylorserveshard: I would say something happens after tc 6 or tc 8
taylorserveshard: if they wait until tc 8 to i guess merge
taylorserveshard: we may need tony more than steve
ryansurvivor1984: thats why I think that if we keep tony he may be competition later
taylorserveshard: this is true, lil steve isn't competiton
taylorserveshard: but
taylorserveshard: if after tc6 we merge at 12 it will either be 6 to 6 or 7 to 6
taylorserveshard: wait 7 to 5
taylorserveshard: sorry
taylorserveshard: now tribal wise who would be more likely to switch to the girls
taylorserveshard: tony or lil steve
ryansurvivor1984: I think that tony is more likeable than lil steve
ryansurvivor1984: but I see what you mean about steven possibly trading sides
ryansurvivor1984: have you talked to either of them
taylorserveshard: I've talked to both
taylorserveshard: Tony is more soild
taylorserveshard: steve is younger
taylorserveshard: he could easily switch to the girls side because he feels scared around older guys
ryansurvivor1984: have either given you a hint to their strategy
taylorserveshard: tony is very nervous, he wants to prove that he is worthy
ryansurvivor1984: I guess I just am surprised to see that he is still around
taylorserveshard: steve isn't as nervous, he's a little naive and scared, but I'm afraid if you try hard enough the girls would be able to get him to crack I think
ryansurvivor1984: after the week and a half of nothing its just weird
taylorserveshard: I know
taylorserveshard: it's freaky
ryansurvivor1984: personally I just think that Tony lost the IC (I realize that it was luck and we should have just had you play because you seemed to be on more) and the fact that he hasn't been around very often...
ryansurvivor1984: but then he pulls of that amazing win for us during IC 4, to me it seems like hes flying under the radar a bit
taylorserveshard: maybe
taylorserveshard: thats very true
ryansurvivor1984: again who knows though
taylorserveshard: but on the other hand, there is just something about lil steve that scares me
ryansurvivor1984: plus which ever one of them we keep can sit out the next challenge
ryansurvivor1984: he does seem preoccupied
taylorserveshard: as long as those two are the next two I don't care
taylorserveshard: I just feel safer with tony since his first words to me weren't umm
taylorserveshard: " You should eat poop, it's good for you."
ryansurvivor1984: what?
ryansurvivor1984: that was what steven said to you...
taylorserveshard: yeah that was the first I heard from him
ryansurvivor1984: thats funny (in a creepy way)
taylorserveshard: yeah
ryansurvivor1984: have you spoken to any of the girls
ryansurvivor1984: about this vote?
taylorserveshard: not really
ryansurvivor1984: cause if we sorta asked them their opinion then we may know who they would be most likely to pull to their side in the event of a merge
ryansurvivor1984: cause if we say who should we get rid of and they say I think you should keep steven around he seems cool... then we know that they have no links with tony
ryansurvivor1984: and that they would rather pull over lil' steven
ryansurvivor1984: hello?
taylorserveshard signed off at 9:39:56 PM.
taylorserveshard signed on at 9:40:38 PM.
taylorserveshard: I'm here
ryansurvivor1984: hello!
taylorserveshard: I agree
ryansurvivor1984: should I try talking to them?
taylorserveshard: yeah jenne is on
ryansurvivor1984: I'll give it a try
ryansurvivor1984: jenne said that she hasn't met tony yet
taylorserveshard: hmm
ryansurvivor1984: and that steven was a little weird and cute
taylorserveshard: hmm sounds like she likes steven
taylorserveshard: anyway I nee dto go
ryansurvivor1984: k seeya tom. at the tc
taylorserveshard: you too
taylorserveshard: <--- is nervous
ryansurvivor1984: lol me too
taylorserveshard: night
ryansurvivor1984: night

[Ryan]

Kdadams76: well i knew i had a bad feeling about that challenge
ryansurvivor1984: yeah
ryansurvivor1984: have you talked to anyone since?
Kdadams76: sigh
Kdadams76: no you're the frist person...i just got home from work
ryansurvivor1984: this is going to be interesting its been so long since the last tc for us
ryansurvivor1984: who are you thinking?
Kdadams76: this is going to be a tough one
Kdadams76: since i don't think we are switching
Kdadams76: i think our safest bet is lil to keep us ahead of the girls
Kdadams76: especially with the next challenge being live
Kdadams76: *lil steve
ryansurvivor1984: I just really think that Tony should be the one to go
Kdadams76: you think??
ryansurvivor1984: to me we are getting close to the merge...
Kdadams76: yeah
ryansurvivor1984: and he hasn't proven to ever be interested in the game whereas tony has
ryansurvivor1984: and as for the next challenge we can sit him out
ryansurvivor1984: so he won't hurt us
Kdadams76: you mean you want tony out?
ryansurvivor1984: yeah
Kdadams76: you just said he shows more interest in the game?
ryansurvivor1984: plus I don't think many people have talked to lil' steve so he'd be easier to sway his vote than tony
ryansurvivor1984: no lil' steve has shown less interest in the game
ryansurvivor1984: so come the merge he shouldn't be a competition when we get to individual immunity
ryansurvivor1984: what do you think?
Kdadams76: well...i agree with him being an easy sway....but to get to the merge, we have to be strong so we can stay ahead of the girls....if we keep lil steven we risk that
ryansurvivor1984: ok if the merge is at 10 and we have 14 now soon to be 13 we will still have a 7-6 advantage
ryansurvivor1984: if he sits the next one out and say we win than we will be at 7-5
ryansurvivor1984: after that if he causes us to lose any of the challenge, with him we will have a 4-3 advantage over the other guys
ryansurvivor1984: he just seems to be able to help us more so than tony
ryansurvivor1984: thoughts?
Kdadams76: i'm thinking tony has more in him...yesterday was just a stroke of bad luck for him cause he was online most of the evening
Kdadams76: it could've happened to if you ahdn't been there to save me
ryansurvivor1984: true..
ryansurvivor1984: I just think that as much as steven will hurt us I think that he brings more benefits than tony
Kdadams76: man, i don't know what to do
ryansurvivor1984: who do you think tony would help first you me and rami or lucas and steve
Kdadams76: that i can't answer
Kdadams76: do you think lil steven would work with us?
ryansurvivor1984: definately
ryansurvivor1984: if we are going to help him stay he would owe it to us
Kdadams76: i'm just afraid of him losing challenges for us
ryansurvivor1984: but realistically other than the 3rd challenge tony has done much
ryansurvivor1984: steven hasn't either but he has at least helped in most of them
ryansurvivor1984: what are the others saying?
Kdadams76: well i'm talking to big steve and he's saying lil steven
ryansurvivor1984: has he said why?
ryansurvivor1984: let me guess that's what lucas told him to do
Kdadams76: just cause he's been the name fresh on everyone's minds since day 1
ryansurvivor1984: to me tony wasn't even on for the first week and a half
ryansurvivor1984: why is it that everyone has taken a liking to him?
Kdadams76: tony?
ryansurvivor1984: yeah
Kdadams76: that i can't answer
Kdadams76: maybe he's likeable?
Kdadams76: i have only had one convo with him
ryansurvivor1984: but he has barely been on
Kdadams76: maybe cause he busted his but for that one challenge
ryansurvivor1984: yeah i've had like two
ryansurvivor1984: doesn't that threaten you a bit
Kdadams76: tony?
ryansurvivor1984: yes
ryansurvivor1984: I just think that by keeping steven it takes away a competitor later on
Kdadams76: yeah
Kdadams76: what does rami think?
ryansurvivor1984: i haven't talked to him lately
Kdadams76: hmmm
Kdadams76: we just need to all 3 get together and put our heads together
ryansurvivor1984: agreed
ryansurvivor1984: it will be easier talking strategy
Kdadams76: yeah so maybe later on tonight the 3 of us can get together
ryansurvivor1984: for sure
Kdadams76: ok..well i'm going to post the convo then i have to jet
ryansurvivor1984: alright
Kdadams76: hopefully i'll see ya tonight
ryansurvivor1984: ya for sure
ryansurvivor1984: ttyl

[Ryan]

ryansurvivor1984: hey lucas
LucasHorowitz: hey there
ryansurvivor1984: what's happening
LucasHorowitz: not much really. kind of nice
ryansurvivor1984: yeah i wish i didn't have to think about a tc though
LucasHorowitz: same here but at least it will make us stronger
ryansurvivor1984: true that's always good
LucasHorowitz: you gonna be at the live tc?
ryansurvivor1984: I will, maybe a little late but yeah
ryansurvivor1984: u?
LucasHorowitz: I think I will be
ryansurvivor1984: have you decided who your gonna vote tom. night?
LucasHorowitz: Lil Steve seems to be the consensus. the only other name I've heard is Tony.
ryansurvivor1984: those are the two I stuck on as well
LucasHorowitz: I think Lil Steve because the only reason he got an idol last night was become I IMed him to get it before Kelley could. Tony actually checks the board and tries to help
ryansurvivor1984: but he was the one without an idol in the end...
LucasHorowitz: who do you prefer?
ryansurvivor1984: personally its a tie... tony was absent and is absent still at times, but came up with a big win for us
ryansurvivor1984: while steven seems to be around more often, but is often not all there and he hasn't costed us any ic's yet
LucasHorowitz: both good points
ryansurvivor1984: and thus I have a tie
LucasHorowitz: I'm thinking I'll vote for Little Steve. He doesn't help unless you ask him. I appreciate that Tony at least tries
ryansurvivor1984: how far down the road do you think the merge is?
LucasHorowitz: I have no idea. I'm thinking maybe 12 if it is early. might still be ten
ryansurvivor1984: because that's another thing on my mind is imagine we continue to win (fingers crossed) which one would you rather face for ind. immunity
LucasHorowitz: Tony. I would be mortified if Little Steve made it that far without lifting a finger
ryansurvivor1984: see I would rather face steve... because we all know that tony can compete
LucasHorowitz: I also worry the girls might get their hands on him and use him as a vote
ryansurvivor1984: and how hard would it be to convince a jury that you are more deserving than the lazy kid who did nothing to get there (not saying I plan on him ever making it that far)
ryansurvivor1984: true
ryansurvivor1984: have you spoken to either of them
LucasHorowitz: nope
LucasHorowitz: I've spoken to Big Steve, Kyle, and Taylor
LucasHorowitz: Taylor doesn't care
LucasHorowitz: Kyle is saying Lil Steve
LucasHorowitz: Big Steve was thinking Lil Steve
ryansurvivor1984: I wish that one of them would sorta commit so that we could have a little faith in one of them
LucasHorowitz: I hear ya.
LucasHorowitz: I dunno. it doesn't matter i guess.
ryansurvivor1984: pick a name out of a hat lol
LucasHorowitz: I think I'll vote Lil Steve. about 60% sure. maybe 70-75%
ryansurvivor1984: I am just uneasy with tony flying under the radar
LucasHorowitz: he's not that good.
ryansurvivor1984: lol
LucasHorowitz: one inactive is as good as the other in my book
ryansurvivor1984: yeah
ryansurvivor1984: let me know before tc how to vote I'm behind ya
LucasHorowitz: sure
LucasHorowitz: it could still be tony. people really don't care
ryansurvivor1984: i feel the same

[Ryan]

ryansurvivor1984: hey again sorry to bother you
ryansurvivor1984: I'm just tossing and turning (mentally that is) on who to vote for...
ryansurvivor1984: I know I don't know you that well I'm just at a loss
Zienna: Aww, what's the game?
ryansurvivor1984: I just am unsure of who to vote at tom. tc and I was curious if you had any input
ryansurvivor1984: this whole voting part really does suck
Zienna: I don't know anyone that well, but I can give you input if you give me reasons and people?
Zienna: I know :-( Trust me if anyone knows I do!
ryansurvivor1984: ok well I think you know the two guys its narrowed down to
ryansurvivor1984: our two less actives
ryansurvivor1984: one is younger and often confused but hasn't caused any real problems
Zienna: OK
ryansurvivor1984: the other comes up big one week and doesn't the next he wasn't around for the first while either
ryansurvivor1984: so now I am interested in your input
Zienna: So I'd go with the least active one, the second one
ryansurvivor1984: thanks I will definately take it into consideration thank you again for listening this is tough
Zienna: Sure dear
ryansurvivor1984: good luck hosting
Zienna: Thanks

[Ryan]

ryansurvivor1984: hey jenne
ryansurvivor1984: long time no talk
JenneUCSC: i was JUST gonna say that
ryansurvivor1984: what's up?
JenneUCSC: tryn to eat some dinner before i dive into midterm studying meanwhile fighting off disease
JenneUCSC: :-) how's you?
ryansurvivor1984: a bit better than you from the sounds of it
ryansurvivor1984: lol
JenneUCSC: :-P
JenneUCSC: im not the one with TC looming
JenneUCSC:
ryansurvivor1984: true that is definately on my mind
JenneUCSC: sorry did that sound like i was rubbing it in?
JenneUCSC: cause if i didnt i was trying too
JenneUCSC: O:-)
JenneUCSC: girlies needed a break
ryansurvivor1984: speaking of which
ryansurvivor1984: any ideas about the tc I'm a little confuseled
JenneUCSC: your not going anywhere are you?
ryansurvivor1984: hope not... but who knows
JenneUCSC: i guess i just assumed one of the guys that werent around much was going
ryansurvivor1984: that was kinda the talk
JenneUCSC: i havnt met tony yet
JenneUCSC: but i talked to the lil one
ryansurvivor1984: any suggestions, you helped us realize who mitch was
JenneUCSC: i really did appreciate you guys helping me out of that
JenneUCSC: i was miserable
ryansurvivor1984: yeah i spoke to them both a bit too
ryansurvivor1984: np
JenneUCSC: spoke to who?
ryansurvivor1984: tony and steven
ryansurvivor1984: they both seem nice
JenneUCSC: well i havnt met tony. i guess he hasnt felt the need to talk to me
JenneUCSC: grrr!
ryansurvivor1984: ahhh
JenneUCSC: but the lil one was weird in a cute way
JenneUCSC: i dunno
ryansurvivor1984: he doesn't know what he is missing
JenneUCSC: i dont really know whats up with your side
ryansurvivor1984: nobody does don't feel left out
ryansurvivor1984: lol
JenneUCSC: he he. lack of TC will do that
ryansurvivor1984: that's for sure...
JenneUCSC: anyways i cant really have an opinion on the matter seeing as ive yet to meet all your tribe members
ryansurvivor1984: oh and if i didn't sound like i was rubbing it in i was
ryansurvivor1984: lol
ryansurvivor1984: thanx anyways
JenneUCSC: cute
JenneUCSC: its between steven and tony? vote out the one i dont know :-P
JenneUCSC: he snubbed me
ryansurvivor1984: lol
JenneUCSC: unless he's cute
JenneUCSC: then maybe ill forgive
JenneUCSC: if he begs
ryansurvivor1984: haha

[Ryan]

Kdadams76: oh hey
ryansurvivor1984: does it still show that i'm away?
Kdadams76: no
ryansurvivor1984: ok... so
ryansurvivor1984: whats up
Kdadams76: nothing just got home
Kdadams76: i don't guess you've seen rami today huh?
ryansurvivor1984: nope
Kdadams76: brb
ryansurvivor1984: k
Kdadams76: ok back
ryansurvivor1984: so have you thought of anything new
Kdadams76: well...i was talking to big steve
ryansurvivor1984: and
Kdadams76: and he seems pretty set on lil steven
Kdadams76: and if we go tony...there be a 4 way tie
Kdadams76: lil steven will go anyway
ryansurvivor1984: Do you have any alliance or pacts or anything with Jenne please be honest
Kdadams76: i talk with jenne a lot, but honestly, we have never talked strategy or uttered the words alliance to each other
ryansurvivor1984: well then you should probably know that Taylor and her have something going on
ryansurvivor1984: and I'm sure that Lucas is in on it too
Kdadams76: do tell
ryansurvivor1984: I was talking to taylor saying how I should maybe talk to one of the girls to see where they stand on the two guys
ryansurvivor1984: to see which one they are most likely to try and pull in for votes after the merge
ryansurvivor1984: and after a long pause taylor wrote... you should... talk to Jenne she is on.
ryansurvivor1984: but jamie was also on so I was confused
ryansurvivor1984: I spoke to jenne and she said that she hadn't talked to tony yet and that she found lil' steve to be kinda weird but cute
ryansurvivor1984: now steven has never given me the impression that he could even maintain a convos. so I suspect that taylor told jenne to say that so that I would think that she would try to pull lil' steve in after the merge and then I would vote him out instead of tony
ryansurvivor1984: you read me so far
Kdadams76: yeah i'm readin
ryansurvivor1984: so if you haven't heard anything about this jenne thing from taylor or lucas I would speculate that you may not be as involved in that alliance as you thought
ryansurvivor1984: I'm not trying to start anything
ryansurvivor1984: just this isn't the first time they have played us
ryansurvivor1984: and it is kinda getting annoying
Kdadams76: man this is giving me a headache
ryansurvivor1984: that makes two of us
Kdadams76: not knowing what's happening over there on the girls tribe...we don't really know which way they are leaning
ryansurvivor1984: i think the whole tony steve thing was a set-up and I do have faith that lil' steven will stick with us
ryansurvivor1984: so if you me rami and lil steven voted lucas we would take away their control and we would be in the majority for the next week
ryansurvivor1984: thoughts?
Kdadams76: but just how much would that stir up the girls...we gotta consider that
ryansurvivor1984: but if we hold off until later lucas taylor jenne gracie and who knows who else will out power us
ryansurvivor1984: if we do it now we will be four strong and then we can try to pull in the loose ends
Kdadams76: so you, me, rami, and lil steve?
ryansurvivor1984: yeah unless you know of someone else we could safely pull in for a vote
Kdadams76: no because i don't know if we should bring big steve into it
ryansurvivor1984: agreed
ryansurvivor1984: and for next week i can't see them switching tribes up
ryansurvivor1984: and once this happens the four of us need to still act like their was now voting block but we just discussed it and kept catching him in lies and we were sick of it
ryansurvivor1984: that way the guys hopefully won't team up against us and view us as threats
Kdadams76: this whole thing makes me so nervous....lol
ryansurvivor1984: someone has to dethrown them and it mine as well be us
Kdadams76: and you haven't talked to rami at all??
Kdadams76: has he fallen off the face of the earth?
ryansurvivor1984: i think he is working a lot lately
ryansurvivor1984: numbers wise we need to do it now
ryansurvivor1984: cause they probably wouldn't do a switch with an odd number of castaways
Kdadams76: but they could do a 6 and 6 at 12
ryansurvivor1984: so that means that if we vote off lucas and we lose again next week we are still in control
ryansurvivor1984: yeah but thats two tc's away
ryansurvivor1984: and if we vote out lil' steve than we are in the minority next week
ryansurvivor1984: or rather me and rami and tony (the ones least connected to lucas)
ryansurvivor1984: scenario: we get rid of lucas and win the next ic... there will be 12 castaways left 7 of which would be males 4 of whom would be in our alliance
ryansurvivor1984: that means that we would only need 2 votes if the switch put 2 of us on each side of the switch for a majority vote
ryansurvivor1984: plus we could always force tiebreakers... I know how 2/3 tc's have gone for the girls
Kdadams76: how?
ryansurvivor1984: some of the girls have let it slip out
Kdadams76: i know the first vote was 7 to 2
Kdadams76: what were the others?
ryansurvivor1984: do you know who got the two
Kdadams76: jenne
ryansurvivor1984: yeah and the 2nd one was 7-1
ryansurvivor1984: with kelley getting a vote
ryansurvivor1984: I didn't hear how ashlee's tc went though
Kdadams76: so seems like all the girls are pretty tight
ryansurvivor1984: ya
Kdadams76: THAT'S what scares me
ryansurvivor1984: so say you and me end up on a tribe after the switch with tony,jenne, ellie and gracie for instance
ryansurvivor1984: all we need to do is convince tony ellie or gracie to vote jenne and in a tiebreaker we would win
ryansurvivor1984: but if we leave lucas alone then when we are down to 12 his alliances will include : Jenne, Gracie(tight with Jenne I heard), Taylor, Big Steve, and possibly they'll pull in Tony. That would give them six and a possible majority if the tiebreakers work out
ryansurvivor1984: and I'm sure that the girls have some allies that would make it a majority
ryansurvivor1984: plus if you count all of his alliances well then you me and rami are also included
Kdadams76: you've been doing a lot of thinking, huh?
Kdadams76: lol
ryansurvivor1984: I didn't have many people to talk to tonight lol
Kdadams76: LOL
ryansurvivor1984: plus when you trust people its easier to plan strategy around them
Kdadams76: yeah that is true
ryansurvivor1984: plus if we win this challenge and the girls get rid of kelley than Ellie and Jamie may start to feel the heat which could work to our advantage if there is a switch
Kdadams76: gosh, my head is spinning....lol
ryansurvivor1984: are you thinking that lucas is the best target though
Kdadams76: i'm thinking he's one of the biggest players
Kdadams76: or hardest players
ryansurvivor1984: yup... i'll admit that sometimes I will do a little playing myself but you need some integrity in this game
ryansurvivor1984: and to go off making promises you don't mean thats just frustrating
Kdadams76: has Lucas made promises to you?
ryansurvivor1984: well if you call an alliance/final 3 than yup
Kdadams76: you know that's such a huge promise for this early in the game!!! LOL
ryansurvivor1984: yeah that's why I was a little taken back when I heard he had alliances with you and taylor as well
ryansurvivor1984: I was thinking ok you played me I'm not that stupid though
Kdadams76: lucas lucas lucas
Kdadams76: let's make sure we can get ahold of Rami and lil steven and see if we're down with this
Kdadams76: PM me tomorrow...i check the board off and on all day
ryansurvivor1984: for sure with it being a live tc it should be easier
Kdadams76: yeah
ryansurvivor1984: I may be late but don't worry I'm gonna post it tom. during the day in the event that I'm not on time
Kdadams76: ok
Kdadams76: well then i'll chat at ya tomorrow
ryansurvivor1984: k seeya

[Ryan]

ryansurvivor1984: hey lucas is the consensus still lil' steve cause i'm gonna vote soon in case I'm running late tonight
LucasHorowitz: i haven't seen anyone since last night. I'm going to assume nothing's changed and vote for him as well
ryansurvivor1984: ok
ryansurvivor1984: just wanted to make sure
LucasHorowitz: I'm as sure as you are :-)
ryansurvivor1984: sounds good then
LucasHorowitz: if its changed to Tony I honestly don't know. I just asked taylor and he thinks its Lil Steve
ryansurvivor1984: if it does change just let me know I can always edit
LucasHorowitz: I sure will!

[Ryan]

taylorserveshard: Hey
ryansurvivor1984: hello there
ryansurvivor1984: i hear you want tony out...
ryansurvivor1984: lol just kidding
taylorserveshard: huh
taylorserveshard: okay lol
ryansurvivor1984: I know that its lil' steve is the plan don't worry
taylorserveshard: Oh I'm not
ryansurvivor1984: really who are you voting for
taylorserveshard: lil steve
ryansurvivor1984: I see you weren't worried about me voting for someone else
ryansurvivor1984: I gotcha now
ryansurvivor1984: I thought you meant that you weren't voting for lil' steve
ryansurvivor1984: ... the confusion these tc's cause
taylorserveshard: I'm worried about people voting for me
ryansurvivor1984: why would they?
taylorserveshard: no clue
taylorserveshard: but you never know with survivor
ryansurvivor1984: true true the paranoia is crazy
taylorserveshard: very very true