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Post by Kyle on May 17, 2005 22:48:37 GMT -5
I knew how good Jamie was with the computer so I was just positive that she was the one behind that win! I would've put money down on it!
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Post by Jamie on May 17, 2005 23:13:23 GMT -5
Kyle, you just made my day
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Post by Kyle on May 23, 2005 10:13:11 GMT -5
Episode 8: Fact N Fiction
R.I.P. RYANAll I can say about this episode is......wow. It's so ironic to finally see what was going on behind the scenes when you had no clue. So ironic. *steps up on soapbox* This perspective will be very candid, open, and honest. So if this offends anyone...I'm sorry. That's why I've created a "Bring It" thread so you can come at me with whatever tongue lashings you need to unleash. Hopefully those that are close to me know how much I care about them and nothing I perceived during the game or now as I look back on the game has any bearings as to how I feel in real life outside of the game. Surely the handful that I’ve grown close to realize this, and you know who you are…<br> *steps down from soapbox* *steps back up....might need to stay there for the whole perception of this episode* Honestly I don't even know where to begin, this episode was so filled with good stuff. I find most ironic that I was totally oblivious for the first two episodes and then found myself in the middle of every action and drama since then. So I’m going to take a different approach to this perspective….this will be my first Fact vs. Fiction Edition. There seems to be a lot of discrepancies in what really took place, so we’ll clear those up here and now. I started this episode a little on the "moody" side if that's the way it's taken, because I had to put a knife in someone's back. Yeah, yeah, yeah...I realize it's the game, it's the nature of the game...blah blah blah! So basically some people out there will be screaming, grow some balls and get on with it. Fine, fair enough...so I have. So I determined I would. So honestly....I feel like I already had since I wasn't afraid to stand up for the people I cared about. I knew if I was to win they'd eventually have to go, but I wanted more of a say of when that would be, and I would have rather it had been a cleaner break than to have to let them know during tribal council, “Oh, by the way you might be getting a few votes tonight.” “What!? How many??”<br> “Enough…well, ok, you’re pretty much dead.”<br> I knew where the lines were drawn as far as power and alliances, and I didn’t really care. FACT: Jenne and Gracie had quite a bit of power by this point. FICTION: Jenne and Gracie had ALL the power over me that they thought…or wanted. I will have to admit that seeing them squirm in this episode because I was close to Ryan or in previous episodes because I could’ve axed their beloved “Mikey Bears” was delicious. So, anywho....much to my chagrin, I held no power up to this point but to make people squirm a bit, and had I had known about it at the time it would have been much more fulfilling. But as they game was playing I was too concerned with getting myself further while maintaining relationships in the process. To be honest with you, I like to be in control, however subtley I may be, but I like things to go my way. I'm very competitive and a perfectionist by nature so it all falls in line. And I say with no regard to my ego that I had no control, and I knew I had none while I was playing...that's why none of my confessionals were so egomaniacal in saying that I was such a player and everyone was my pawn....and whatever self-promoting jargon there is that I've read over and over again in this game. FACT: Jamie and I were how can I say it….wary of each other? OK, we didn’t trust each other one single bit. FACT: I targeted Jamie. FICTION: Jamie had been voted out of the “other” game we were playing together. FICTION: I targeted Jamie out of spite and revenge from previous game baggage. This could be an edition all in itself, but I’ll save the meat of it for the next episode. Hmmmm, I wonder who it could involve? So yeah, we’ll wait a bit. But what I do want everyone to know this time around is that I was, in fact, voted out of Survivor Hawaii the very day Ryan was voted out of Valentine’s Day---by Jamie’s pushing, nonetheless. And were supposed to be allied. Why did I target Jamie in Valentine’s Day? Well, I’m glad you asked. For no other reason than we weren’t allied in Holidays, and she was going to be tough in challenges, and because of her shadiness in Hawaii. I knew she was going to be just as shady and deceitful in Valentine’s Day. She had stopped talking to me period for either game for right at two weeks—even after I would message her. This is no different than Ashlee getting the big ol’ boot because The Band of Brothers (the powers that be at this point, if anyone is wondering who they are) knew that Ashlee played like she was on crack and might give up their covers. **It has since been called to my attention that Jamie told people she had been vote out of Hawaii** Thus prompting exchanges like this…<br> Nice try…good way to pull of something sneaky and end up smelling like roses when it’s all said and done. For the record, I never told anyone I wanted to VOTE JAMIE OUT. Of course I did…but I didn’t press it, and I never said in so many words. I merely dropped the suggested when the moment provided that Jamie might make me nervous, and that she appeared to be pretty tough in challenges. We’ll get more into what happened right after Ryan left the tribal council area next episode. It will be quite interesting, I promise, so stay tuned. FACT: Ryan figured out the 5 person alliance of Kyle/Jenne/Taylor/Gracie/Lucas…..or wait, let me put them in order as suggested over and over again in this episode…. Jenne/Taylor/Gracie/Lucas/Kyle No no….. Jenne/Gracie/Taylor/Lucas/Kyle No…. Jenne/Lucas/Gracie/Taylor/Kyle No wait…. Lucas/Jamie/Jenne/Gracie/Taylor Jamie !? How did she get in there ? Meh, it’s whatever….however you look at it I was on the outside…so moving right along…<br>
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Post by Kyle on May 23, 2005 10:13:33 GMT -5
FICTION: I told Ryan about my alliance.
By reading about me anywhere in this game so far have I done anything stupid like that? I might not have had the sense to figure out the Band of Brothers (even with people dropping names here and there…you’ll see next time) but Kyle does have some sense about it him. In fact, I was very careful not to say anything about that to him because if you haven’t noticed by now…Ryan is one tough, smart cookie. And when low and behold Ryan figured things out for himself, who got the blame for it?
One guess. Starts with a K....ends with an yle. Yep yep!
So Ryan tells Ellie there was a leak, which there wasn't, but the "leak" gets around and Kyle is automatically labeled the leak. I'm sure Lucas took this for everything he had to hold against me.
I remember this night very vividly. I had just been voted out of Hawaii. I had Jamie telling me I'm targeted in Valentine's Day. I had Jenne yelling at me because our alliance was uncovered. I had Taylor yelling at me because Ryan had cast a vote for him...because I gave Ryan a heads up.
Yeah, it wasn't a very fun night for me. Not one that was easy for me to read about.
FACT: I told Ryan during tribal council that he was getting voted out.
FICTION: I told Ryan to vote for Taylor.
Why would I steer votes toward Taylor? I mean, apparently I couldn’t control my manly parts every time he signed on so why would I want him to have any votes?
Some of these chats (as the above) were a bit out of sequence as they had happened immediately following tribal council and not before. I call this one to attention because I don't know what I was saying or what I had said that editing may have change ....but I DID NOT tell Ryan the votes were headed toward Taylor. In fact, I told him that Kelley was who needed his vote. I think "your" in that sentence was referring to Ryan.
**Sorry Kelley, I don’t want to ruffle any more feathers. Not part of a junior high clique here, just didn’t know you cause you were never there**
I just needed to clear that up.
FACT: Jenne loves to write confessionals.
FACT: Ryan and I voted for Lucas’ tribe name in the immunity challenge.
FICTION: We knew we were voting for Lucas.
Are ya freakin’ kidding me? We talked before the votes were due that we wanted to vote for a stupid name and reason that we thought had no chance of winning. So we picked the same one. Go figure. Lucas wins immunity. Sorry Ryan, but voting for Lucas’ tribe name was not a big conspiracy on mine and Taylor’s part to give immunity to Lucas and hide behind him. Are ya freakin’ kidding me? I don’t hide behind anyone, it should have become very apparent by now.
FACT: I did not want to vote Ryan out.
FICTION: I wanted to use him as a pawn.
Ally yes, but not a pawn. I knew he would vote with me.
FACT: Ryan would’ve helped me overthrow Jenne/Lucas/Gracie ties somewhere along the line.
As was my intention….so kudos to the Band of Brothers.
Just to throw it out there….this annoyed the hell out of me…<br>
If for no other reason but that it usurps the power I did not have at this point, and never thought I did.
FACT: Taylor was in Holidays: Independence Day….as Taylor.
FICTION: I believed him when he denied it.
Come on people…his profiles between Tonga and Independence Day were exactly the same, and Taylor is a pitiful liar. Which actually is not a bad attribute…but sorry, Taylor, I didn’t believe anything you said in regard to your game history and ties and trust with the Band of Brothers. I just stuck with you cause I liked you, and contrary to popular belief, not in a homosexual way that’s fer sure.
FICTION:
I knew full well what was going on, and Jamie did not consume my thoughts and emotion. That happened when she went berserk after Ryan’s tribal council and we’ll see that next time.
And no I didn’t lose my game.
FACT: I Had an opinion.
FICTION: It mattered one iota.
Ok, maybe that’s a little farfetched. I did matter to “some” people, but not really enough to influence any decision for the group as a whole. But to Lucas? Ha!
FACT: I tried to self-vote at tribal council, but Karen responded with a resounding NO! It was against the rules.
It was going to be a great plan. I was going to self-vote and blame it on Lucas or Jamie. It would’ve been perfect but…dang those rules! I went against a very bold promise I made a few episodes ago, and I wrote down Ryan’s name. Why he has forgiven me for that, I’ll never know.
FICTION: Ellie adored me.
Just stay tuned.
So that’s it for the Fact vs. Fiction edition. I’ll live you with a few morsels I thought were quite tasty with irony, or maybe just a bit sour to me…<br> IRONIC….that these came out in the same episode in both our confessionals:
SOUR:
Grrrrr.
Jenne……1 Taylor…..2 Gracie…..3
And the winner is……Gracie!
ANNOYING:
Eh….who am I kidding? Anything out of Lucas’ mouth falls into this category. And any of my own references to the “Fab 5.” How stupid and corny am I? That was almost as bad as “Kyle Academy,” which by the way was on the verge of having to shut its doors.
So…for what it’s worth…that’s my perspective as I look back, and possibly what I would’ve felt had I known all this at the time. My position in this game was no one’s fault but my own, and not because I aligned myself with Ryan or certain people, but because I chose to put my 100% trust into an alliance of 5 people…..well, 4 out of an alliance of 5 people. HELLO! Survivor Faux Pas…..don’t trust anyone but yourself and MAYBE one other person.
So that was my own bad and I’m sure comes with the learning territory as I really was new at the game. Valentine’s Day and Hawaii were my first games that started within 2 weeks of each other.
So this is me unleashed…with honestly no hard feelings. I can separate game from life and I do love the ones I’m close to. Just keeping some egos in check is fun.
So until next time…which I assure you will be just as much fun as this time…Kyle is signing off!
Be sure to post in my “Bring it” thread with any rants and raves you have.
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Post by Jamie on May 23, 2005 11:56:41 GMT -5
It was a while ago, and my memory is faulty, but who did I tell that to? And if I did, go me! FACT: Jamie <3s Kyle (well, not so much during the time period of the show )
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Post by Kyle on May 23, 2005 12:02:49 GMT -5
Well, I was told that's what you told Lucas, but that's how rumors get started...before you go to the source.
So...my bad.
Call me stupid...but what does <3s mean?
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Post by gracie on May 23, 2005 12:21:20 GMT -5
Kyle ... tilt your head sideways ... it should look like a heart <3
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Post by Kyle on May 23, 2005 12:26:34 GMT -5
Gaaaa, why is everything so simple and Kyle analyzes like crazy?? FACT: Jamie and I have gained a mutual respect for one another! Besides the fact that Jamie is a great Survivor competitor, I am way impressed with her skills in many life aspects! So thank you Jamie...ditto for me....or err...<3
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Post by Jamie on May 23, 2005 22:41:27 GMT -5
lol, I'll have to tell you about the job I landed, Kyle You'd be proud.
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Post by Kyle on May 25, 2005 11:54:20 GMT -5
Episode 9: Color me Jamie
R.I.P. JAMIE
To start this off, Lucas was right in his vote reason. I almost did have a heart attack reading this episode, because I had absolutely NO clue all that stuff had happened. None. I didn’t even know I was a possible boot the whole 3-day span until 30 minutes before tribal council. The expertise with which the Band of Brothers, minus Lucas, pulled off their strategy was phenomenal, if you ask me. And if you didn’t ask me, you’re getting my 2 cents anyway. Hell, by the end of this you might even have a couple of dollars. Go to Starbucks or something!
Well…their strategy was as phenomenal as you can get with pre-built trust. But still, they were excellent at making one feel totally secure while charging like a bull down the middle of a minefield, if you will, and that could’ve been pulled off with or without the prior connections.
Let’s see…Annette I know felt secure with Gracie. Ellie was feeling secure with Jenne…which is why she never made the effort to get to know Taylor and I and automatically assumed she couldn’t trust us—or couldn’t realize that Taylor is NOT an idiot. Don’t get me started on that one. Steve was feeling fairly safe with Gracie and Jenne both. Jamie “was” safe with Lucas. And I thought my place in the 5 was set like gold. This is how I thought the final 5 would go…Lucas first because everyone assured me he was our pawn until then. Then I figured Gracie would be fourth for no other reason but because of Taylor and Jenne’s previous relationship. Then again, I was pretty set on Jenne being fourth because she told me she’d take me over Taylor for final 2 and I KNEW that was bogus. So if it were Gracie, Taylor, and I at final 3 Taylor wouldn’t have Jenne to distract him from me for final 2.
Yes, this is what it seemed like to me back in those days…skipping daily, hand-in-hand with the Fab 5 over lush green pastures…not a care in the world! Remember me at the beginning of the game? Yep, I was back on the hilltop twirling and singing only I thought I had 4 other people with me. I was so convinced that even when I did land all my weight on mine after mine, that I didn’t even feel it explode! Had no idea as I skipped along that I was being pulverized! A leg here, an arm there…everything torn off me until I was nothing but a walking ass.
Apparantly Jamie felt the same way…she just happened to land on an explosive that took out her ass as well. And Jamie was a little more aggressive at wanting to control the game than I was. Had she not been, this is probably where I would have been typing out my final words.
After all I was saved pretty much because I was a harmless, controllable puppy dog. Well I guess since I called Lucas a yapping Schnauzer then I get what I deserve, right? Perhaps.
But what kind of a dog does that make me? I don’t much care for the lapdog. I don’t think I was a Schnauzer because I know I wasn’t that much of a case. I know….a SHIT-zu? *shrug*
Actually, it’s whatever you wanna call me. I don’t think I’ve ever been called so many names or accused of so much in my whole life span as I was in this one episode…a half hour worth of reading…a span of three days during the game. So feel free to label me what you like! Let’s see…<br> Not really…I can hold my own.
Nope…see above
Eh…I might give you these. But didn’t Taylor go off on me when he got just one vote? How bout the whole Fab 5…er 4 when Jamie and I became their liability? How about Lucas? naaa….this commentary will already be long enough. Jamie…when she realized she had no power? I guess we’re all entitled to our moments of neurosis.
This one has been addressed, aired out, and sealed.
This I thought was kind of funny. Lucas had already said that Jamie was aimed at me already…wanted me gone instead of Ryan. How did she think I targeted myself? Because at Ryan’s TC I answered Karen’s question with a false fear that a male “Pagonging” was going to take place. I knew it wasn’t, because I had my 5. I was just trying to make it seem like I had no alliances outside of the guys. Then I went on to say after Ryan left the tribal council area, “Let the guy stomping begin.” Then Jamie was in my face. First of all, she was fawning over how much she respected me because I had been voted out of the “other” game and was making sure I wouldn’t hold anything against her for the present game. I really had to laugh at that…and I was, I admit, feeling a bit cocky with my alliance. So I told her she no more respected me than she wanted to save her own ass in Holidays. That’s when she came back and told me I had just targeted myself by everyone for making my TC comments. Kind of a stupid reason to become a target, don’t you think? It was an excuse, if you ask me—2 more cents. But whatever, that’s where Jamie “tipped me off.” She told me I had just targeted myself by EVERYONE. At the time I didn’t believe her, it just made me mad. Though, little did I know that I HAD become a target, and not necessarily by everyone. No…just by my own alliance. And not because of my comment. No…but because Ryan went out with flare. I don’t know if it was only me he was trying to destroy, but I’m the one it fell on. But I did deserved it after what I did to him.
Don’t believe I’ve ever been called this in my life. Not even in jest. But I don’t know that coming from Jamie, this might be somewhat of a compliment.
Hmmmm, maybe. I’m not one to be afraid to stir the waters here and there. At least I’m not afraid to stand up for people I didn’t want to go. And it should be fairly obvious by now that I like attention, so this one might be fair at best.
No, actually I didn’t. But special thanks to my entire alliance for confronting me about it before having that most brutal chat, the conspiracy against me.
Well…not intentionally. If I don’t like you, maybe, but it’s hard to find people that I just really dislike. Jamie just needed to know that I was as into an alliance with her in Hawaii as I was with the Fab 5…even though I didn’t trust her completely. I thought our challenge records as compared to the rest in Hawaii could’ve gotten us far, and I was rapidly becoming wary of Matt. (Jamie will understand)
Again…go to the source. I make this mistake a lot too. Seems to be a lesson never learned by anyone.
Me??? Little bitty ol’ harmless pooch, me?
Ok…you got me there. A trait I inherited from my mother, I ASSURE you on that one. Something I should keep in check, but it comes out unintentionally at some points. But at this time, I knew everyone was thinking I was Ryan’s leak, but no one would talk to me about, just kind of shove it aside and never give me a definite, “Ok, I believe you.”<br>
I think I’ve been called this before.
How many cents are we at now? Probably close to a dollar, I’d imagine.
Let’s talk about the challenge. I worked my butt off for this challenge, and just as for the rest of the challenges for the remainder of my game, I felt pretty sure that I got close to a win. With my $100+ thousand ring, my $15k Vegas wedding, my $1000 box of chocolates….I thought I was in way good standing for this challenge. Not that I had it in the bag, just a good chance. I didn’t know about all the chartering yachts and planes which is what threw Jenne and Jamie in first and second place.
Were the dynamics of this challenge the only thing that saved me this episode? Perhaps. I was hoping it was more along the lines of everyone just loved me so much, but it was more along the lines of Jamie was more of a threat…..damnit.
Funny thing here is Jamie got so upset with Jenne about the VERY thing Jamie did to me. She asked me how much I had when I was half-way through the challenge, and I told her I was over $100k. She feigned discouragement and told me she was having trouble mustering up more than a few thousand. She was full well ahead of me, and lied to my face! Then turned around and went bollistic on Jenne. That was an interesting read.
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Post by Kyle on May 25, 2005 11:54:51 GMT -5
Thus, the tables were turned on Jamie….but only for the safety of the powers that be, not out of loyalty.
Eh….well….at least I’m grateful I got 3 more days!
I also thought it was funny that Lucas had said in the last episode that somewhere I had lost my game, and it was implied that I was more set on revenge than concentrating on the matters at hand. Ha! The whole second half of the episode was Lucas and Jamie wanting revenge on me, and I quote… “I want Kyle. That’s all I will accept.”<br> I don’t know….compared to all the chaos I read in this episode, I feel I held myself pretty firmly other than to make sure my allies trusted me once again. Jamie rattled me a bit, I will admit, but I was never “terrified” that she would be able to vote me off. My confessionals should attest to that. And she wasn’t that threatening that we couldn’t vote for Kelley before her. Kelley was who I thought was the target all along until 30 minutes before tribal council. Just another couple of cents.
I have to make mention of Kelley here. Though I don’t like that she wasn’t as available as the rest…and I do know that life is more important…I did greatly admire the fact that she would stick with her guns even though she knew she might fall into a minority. With Lisa….she questioned Ryan’s boot…and she even stuck with Jamie knowing that Jamie might be the one going. She stuck with her loyalties. Now this tactic of game play RARELY gets you far in Survivor, but it is very admirable.
And as for Ellie…she had yet to start playing the game. She was never there, she didn’t give an ounce to the challenges, and she most certainly didn’t talk to anyone outside of the ladies. It seems that she talked to Steve more, but I just wonder how many of those conversations were instigated by Steve?? Steve is a great kid and always ready to talk. Even to this day if I sign on to AIM and he’s there, he’s already said Hi to me before I even have a chance to move my hands from the mouse to the keypad.
Rabbit trail…..so, yeah, Ellie…. If she had said “her” instead of “him” I would think she was talking about herself. Have you ever heard of the phrase about the pot and the kettle?
And don’t call my friend dumb.
Oh….and one last thing before I end this new…blatantly open and honest commentary…which seems to be my trend lately. I promise I’m not bitter…I’m just a daringly open book lately.
I have to give my regards to Jamie. She went out with class…and not just because her final words about me were nice, but because if I had been blindsided—and please God don’t ever let that happen to me—I don’t know that I would have been so classy in my final words. Maybe if I had waited a couple of days, but it would be hard.
Despite things I said about her in the game, or have even said about her recently about how she thought she was in control of the game or her reactions to the games she didn’t fair as well in, and even her spat with Taylor in Taylor’s fan club…I respect her tons. She is a great player, though we disagree on backstabbing, ally, and emotional routes. And she has many more skills, determination, and dedication in life than most people.
I promise this commentary is not meant to kiss ass, make myself look better—maybe defend myself cause I tend to do that quickly—or hurt people that I do care about. This is just me being open. There is not a single person in this game that I dislike in the slightest…not even Tenzil or Ellie. I just wish I could have had a better connection with both of them but I guess in a game of 18 individuals who strive for a one person slot…it would be impossible to bond with everyone.
For those “allies” I have been very harsh to in this commentary…we all know what life really has in store for us, and as far as I’m concerned that’s a Survivor win.
Oh, and I do believe I've lost track of how many cents I've thrown out. Ah well....take it to the Coin Star.
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Post by Host Rob on May 25, 2005 15:04:45 GMT -5
I am howling my ass off at this quote Kyle.
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Post by Jamie on May 25, 2005 21:33:21 GMT -5
Kyle.. I really had planned to stop posting here after E9 but I did have something I wanted to tell you. When the game started and we had our first chat I really fancied the idea of an alliance with you. As the game and Hawaii progressed in turn, I really thought you were going to gun for me, because we had it out for each other there. So I had all that in the back of my head all the way up to merge. At some point pre-merge, Lucas told me that you were gunning for me.. or maybe itw as past merge, but that's when I really got my heckles up and started to drop hints that I'd be more than happy to vote you off. IT didn't become huge until 8/9. Thanks for the kind words. If there is one thing that I've learned playing games is that they're just that: a game. While I may be a bitch in conversations and often come out as the villain in episodes I've always tried to be kind in my confessionals. The pieces you highlighted I'm severely shamed to have been caught saying (and I know they're not a pleasant thing to read during episodes, especially coming from someone you'd thought of as a friend). Never the less, it was a pleasure playing this game with you. I wish you the best of luck in the future episodes. And I hope we get a chance in the future to duke it out again.. but this time much more nicely
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Post by Kyle on May 26, 2005 8:17:17 GMT -5
I realize it was all a game, too, and ours was such a tangled web. Honestly, you weren't even in my radar until Lucas asked me about knowing you. At that first challenge when you gave me your code and told me you would lie to everyone else....I considered an alliance as well. We just never spoke about it.
When Lucas asked me about knowing you and seemed threatened, I had to assure him we weren't alligned so I or we wouldn't be targeted. That's when I dropped the hints that you were a challenge threat or that I'd feel better if you were gone.
My bloodthirst for you didn't come until Ryan's TC when you tipped me off. That was when I pushed for you. Seems to me we were more pitted against each other than anything else.
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Post by gracie on May 26, 2005 9:28:10 GMT -5
My bloodfirst for you didn't come until Ryan's TC when you tipped me off. That was when I pushed for you. Seems to me we were more pitted against each other than anything else. ? I"m interested in this. When the whole 'leak' thing occurred after Ryan's TC, I was terribly confused. And then came the whole Jamie said something to you about being targeted and I got even more confused. I admit, I reacted instead of acted. But about the only thing I heard for 3 straight days was that Tenzil and Jamie were demanding that we all vote you out. And I went along with that for the most part. And I wasn't very nice about it ... for which I apologize to both you and Jamie. Not voting you out was a two-fold process. Because 1) I didn't want to cave into what I felt was Jamie's, and through her - Tenzil's, demands. And I didn't like the reasons for what was going on; and 2) it wasn't a strategic decision to vote you out. But I have to admit, this was the three of some of the most emotional days I spent in game. What set me more against Jamie though was 1) her lie about Jenne; and 2) her reaction when Jenne won immunity. I'll post the entire chat between me and Tenzil ... we both let each other knew where we stood.
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