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Post by Kyle on Apr 21, 2005 8:12:04 GMT -5
In this thread I will follow each episode and explain what I was seeing from my point of view....just for whoever's interested in reading!
Honestly I'm at work right now and I don't feel like doing anything (my supervisor's not here) so I'm just killing time.
Though, I thought it would be kind of neat to give a little insight on why I made the choices I made, alligned with the people I did, and sometimes even said some of the things I said about certain people.
So....hope you drop by and get a grasp of the game from my view!
**Feel free to comment on my commentaries!**
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Post by Kyle on Apr 21, 2005 8:21:19 GMT -5
Episode 1: Social Hour
R.I.P. LISA
My view of the game at this point is probably exactly what you gathered from reading this episode....
totally and COMPLETELY oblivious.
This was technically my 2nd game ever as my first game had started only just 3 weeks prior. So, I was in 2 games at once. Not something I would normally do but I didn't really think I'd be selected for Valentine's Day since I applied on the day applications closed, so I applied for another.
Pretty much the first episode was spent socializing and playing....kind of like camp. I had absolutely NO idea alliances were forming in the guys tribe as of the first day. I had met everyone in the game throughout the first episode except for Lil Stevie (who was also in my other game). Needless to say, in time to come, he would not remember me from either game. I only talked with Lisa and Tony once to exchange codes for the first challenge.
First people to impact me: Stephanie, Taylor, Gracie, Jenne, Lucas, Mitch, Ryan
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Post by Kyle on Apr 21, 2005 8:37:41 GMT -5
Episode 2: When the Music Fades
R.I.P. MITCH
Again, this episode started off with Kyle in the dark....la dee dah, I'm having a good time, I'm being the social butterfly, everything's lovely in Holidays 4. It's almost like you could've seen me twirling on top of a hill with my arms stretched out wide
...."The hills are alive, with the sound of music!"
Well, that beautiful music changed its tune when Taylor came to me about Lucas and Mitch. The was the first sign of dissention I had ever heard about.
That was it....no more world peace. SIGH. So I felt a little bit out of the loop. Ok, a lot.
Then Lucas came to me (mind you, the first time I met him he told me he usually let people come to him in regard to strategy) and he prefaces his dish to me with, "I wasn't going to do this, but....." So unfolded the Jenne/Mitch drama.
Funny how one simple phrase, or maybe just a misuse of words, can change everything. Lucas became number one to keep an eye on, because I just realized he was playing the game....and early too. Well, i wasn't going to decide how to vote based on Lucas so I asked as many people including Mitch and Jenne what was going on so I could get a well-rounded grasp of the situation. I really didn't know what to think.
If it hadn't been for Jenne, who had quickly become the apple of my Valentine's Day eye, I would've tried to sway Big Steve to vote other than for Mitch. But Jenne seemed to be genuinely rattled and I wanted to protect her. Now reading the episodes, i'm so glad. Mitch is a little, how shall we say it.....maniacal? If he wasn't so abrasive and persistent it might have been a different story, but I felt sorry for Jenne, Ryan, and Big Steve who seemed pretty berated by our infamous Mitch in certian conversations.
So, I voted for Mitch to protect Jenne, but somehow knew that Lucas was playing a hard game. I somehow had the feeling the whole stalking thing was blown out of proportion. At that point I knew nothing of Beth/Mikey/Taylor/Jenne/Liz connection. To me everyone was new, no one knew each other. It was EVERYONE'S first game. Well....they said so. Doesn't that mean truth?
So after Mitch was eliminated, I had to go sleep on it...
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Post by Kyle on Apr 21, 2005 8:50:22 GMT -5
Episode 3: Slowly I Turn
R.I.P. STEPHANIEImmediately after tribal council (where 2 mystery votes had been cast toward Lucas) I began to wonder who voted for him. In my mind, if someone was feeling the same as I was, I needed to find them and talk a little business. I first went to Ryan and Rami because they made the most sense, but both of them swore they voted for Mitch. Of course Kyle is going to believe them. They said it didn't they? (still suffering from new player-itis) So I immediately tagged the 2 stray votes to Lil Stevie and Tony. Then I had a plan. With 8 guys left and Lucas having 2 votes to his name already, all I needed was Ryan, Rami, me and Big Steve to swing a tie. At this point i didn't really know where Big Steve stood because one minute he was anti-Lucas and the next minute he trusted him. So Ryan, Rami, and I proposed we would add a 4th on an as-needed basis the next time we might attend TC. At this point, I don't remember why I was leary of asking Taylor to join in. But he was my first "let's stick together" agreement, so I guess I was afraid to piss him off too soon. Anyway, that was pretty much the meat of episode 3 from where I stood. The rest was just socializing with the girls, namely Gracie, Annette, and flirting a lot with Jenne. Jamie I knew from my other game, but we hand't had too much contact at this point. Ellie, Kelley, and Ashlee were scarce so I rarely talked with them, and when I did chat with Ellie, our conversations would just suddenly end with no formal goodbyes. I hate that by the way. I didn't chat with Stephanie much by this point either because he-she had become very standoffish, and i was shocked as heck when she was voted off. I just knew it would've been Ellie, Kelley, or Ashlee. At this point in reading the episodes I have yet to see where Lucas has mistrusted me or even mentioned in his confessionals that I was a pawn (which is what I felt I was). So, yeah....Kyle's feeling a bit villainous. The worst he's said about me is to call me "someone to watch" which is more flattering than anything else.
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Lucas
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The Commander
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Post by Lucas on Apr 21, 2005 10:47:53 GMT -5
And it's true too. This was a very rare time where I took initiative in looking for allies. It was a tremendous risk but I didn't care at that point given Jenne's increasing difficulties with Mitch.
I had the exact same experience. Our intial chat(s) were just fine and I thought we might be hitting it off on some level.
E então olhou-me como se eu falava o português.
Mistrusted? Hadn't happened yet. Stay tuned. Pawn? Well....that was everyone. I'm sure I mentioned you as one somewhere. Can't see you getting off where no one else did.
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Post by Kyle on Apr 22, 2005 9:21:30 GMT -5
Episode 4: The Middle Man
R.I.P. ASHLEE
This was more or less my mission impossible episode. I had 2 sets of alliances that trusted me and both were feeding me all kinds of information about the other. Looking back I can see that was way gutsy but with Lil Stevie and Tony still in the picture I'm sure all the guys felt some sense of security as I did....surely none of us would be voted out before Lil Steven. My alliance on the left hand was gunning for Ryan but more leaning towards Lil Stevie...my alliance on the left hand was gunning for Lucas. So for the moment I was good. Still to oust Lucas, Ryan, Rami and I needed to decide between the Steves to pull with us.
Just a note, I was cracking up at Ryan's conversation with Lil Stevie. Ridiculous is all I can say....he didn't even have a clue. Mike.....Mitch.....potato....po-tah-to. Come on, Steven, let's just call the whole thing off!
One thing I noticed....stupid me, doh!....i made a pretty bold promise! "To never write down Taylor, Ryan, or Rami's names" Oh my gosh, could i get any dumber? Was that even good game play? If Taylor, Ryan, Rami and I just happened to be final 4 what was I going to do? Not show up for tribal council?
I hope that doesn't make me a liar, but a scatterbrained newbie who hadn't really thought ahead or weighed the options at what might come.
Anyway, that's about the extent of my game play for episode 4. My only regret is not starting to gain some kind of a rapport with some of the ladies other than Gracie and Jenne. Mine and Jamie's conversation to this point were strictly the "other" game. I only talked with Annette about life stuff, like her daughter and my neice who are the same age. I never really tried to talk to Kelley because she was hardly ever on. I DID try to talk to Ellie some. I knew Ashley would go sooner than later, so I didn't put much effort there.
I have to say that Gracie so far is playing a superb game! She is just geniune enough to keep people trusting her and feeding her all the information she needs to stay on the inside of all major and minor factions. She worries that it will make her look like the Valentine's Day bi-atch.....but I say it makes her look like the Valentine's Day genius.
Lucas I have to say is confessional gold. I love to read your confessionals the most out of everyone! Are you a writer? You really should consider it! I cracked up at this:
Too funny.
Oh...and I have have found a new Starbucks favorite besides my grande sugar-free vanilla with whip cream latte.
Hazelnut! mmmm mmmm
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Post by Host Karen on Apr 22, 2005 10:25:55 GMT -5
LOVE the perspectives! Keep it up.
-Karen
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Annette
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Silent Bob Love! <3
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Post by Annette on Apr 22, 2005 11:04:40 GMT -5
I only talked with Annette about life stuff, like her daughter and my neice who are the same age. What's funny is that we talk about the game more now that it's over than we did when we were right in the middle of it. lol
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Post by Ryan on Apr 22, 2005 13:54:13 GMT -5
I love these perspectives keep doing them... p.s. your not stupid you said you wouldn't write down our names until final four so your good.
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Post by Jon on Apr 22, 2005 20:19:50 GMT -5
These are excellent! Something I'm going to look forward every episode. How's Kyle Academy?
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Post by Kyle on Apr 22, 2005 22:43:53 GMT -5
LOLOLOL
First of all Kyle Academy is probably the dorkiest thing I've ever come up with in my life!!
In fact, I went to take them out of my confessionals and what do you know they made their way back in!
You'll just have to stay tuned to see what pupils enrolled!
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Lucas
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Post by Lucas on Apr 22, 2005 23:06:15 GMT -5
...but but...the villiany...the evil....you're all supposed to hate me.... Um. I do write. Sometimes. I'm very slow unfortunately. And I am my own worst editor. There were confessionals I never bothered sending in because I have trouble articulating. I wrote tons more then I actually ended up posting. My motto when doing confessionals: Be colourful. Anyone can run down the events of the game. Not just anyone can do it in such a way to make everyone scream for your hide.
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Post by Kyle on Apr 26, 2005 9:02:24 GMT -5
Episode 5: Saving Lucas #1
R.I.P. LIL STEVIE
At this point in time in the game I was really nervous. Here I had found myself caught in between 2 alliances and was gun-shy to make the play that would inevitabley need to be played. I was seriously torn between Taylor, Lucas, and Tony on one side and Ryan and Rami on the other. Big Steve was still the Big wild card as I had mentioned in my confessional but I was confident he would stick with me. We had somewhat of an unofficial alliance. But becuase of his fluxuating Lucas trust I was leary of swaying him definitely one way or the other.
This episode definitely reveals my inward battles, and just how neurotic of a player I was. I wanted to play, I wanted to strategize, and I wanted to win...but I didn't want to hurt anyone's feelings. I knew I had found myself in a very difficult situation. Secretly playing both sides of the fence was part of my plan to stay on the good side of everyone in my tribe, and while I still wanted to be a "good" guy, I had just set myself up for villainy.
What made matters even harder for me was during the challenge Ryan actually gave me the Mini-idol thread i captured. He had already captured his and we were both seaching through the threads and chatting at the same time, and he's the one who stumbled over thread #5. It was because of Ryan that I snatched that idol up mere seconds before Gracie.
Here was my dilemma in a nutshell. I had made commitments with Lucas before I even really got in good with Ryan and Rami. Voting out Lucas would be directly breaking a promise. When I realized how hard of a player Lucas was I went directly to Ryan and Rami (throwing shallow promises of never voting for them until final 4) and alligned with them. I found that I connected with both of them as well, and Ryan practically handing that mini-idol to me on a silver platter indebted me.
We still ended up losing that challenge as i had a gut feeling we would because Lil Stevie was just not reliable. Tony had been online for most of the evening so I knew he was trying, he just could never get in to a thread. It was mere chance that Lil Stevie happened upon the last thread late in the evening after all the girls had captured theirs. This would pose another problem...if we decided to vote for an inactive rather than Lucas, Ryan wanted to vote Tony because he had lost the challenge (He was also hoping to secure Lil Steven against Lucas somewhere down the line). But I knew Tony had tried and I liked Tony and wanted to keep him on. So I had to gingerly steer Ryan away from that choice, just as I was gingerly trying to steer Lucas and Taylor away from voting Ryan.
So after the challenge, the strategy began, and what the aired episode omitted was the deliberation that went on up until the exact moment tribal council started! The Lucas, Taylor, Tony, Kyle alliance had settled on voting Lil Steven...but the Kyle, Ryan, Rami alliance were still discussing. We three voting Lucas and snagging Lil Steven at the last minute would have ensured Lucas' eviction--that is to say if ties were broken by past votes. But in the back of my mind I had 2 problems with this....1)Letting go of Lucas might cause us to continue to lose challenges....2)Letting go of Lucas would be my first backstabbing play which i wasn't ready to do yet.
So right before TC I decided, ok, let's go for Lucas. Ryan thought he wasn't going to be at council so he even submitted his vote early. As tribal council was beginning Lil Steven was AWOL, and i was about to have a heartattack because i knew Ryan had already voted. Rami was all gungho and ready to vote Lucas, regardless of whether or not we had a majority. But I was not about to vote Lucas without the numbers and Lil Steven looked as though was not going to show up. Big Steve did not show up until right as TC was starting so I was not going to stir up the waters. I told Rami we had to vote Lil Stevie---and he was NOT happy. Ryan finally showed up at the last minute and I told him too. Lil Stevie was not there so we needed to vote him otherwise we would drown ourselves....and the rest is history. Lil Stevie went down with a 100% unanimous vote because he didn't even care enough to show up and save himself.
I wish all that had aired, and I dont' know why it didn't! But it would've made for some very interesting reading!
Anyway, I know this post will be forever long, but a lot of interesting and dramatic things happened for me during this 3 day span. During this time was when I found out that Jenne and Taylor had been friends for about 2 years. Lucas showed me the link of the game Taylor had hosted and I browsed the forum where Host Taylor called himself God.....and there behind every God post was a post from Jenne who called herself God's Best Friend.
*sirens sirens sirens*
My heart about skipped a beat because Taylor was MY final 2 partner. How was I to think that Taylor would ever keep me at any point in this game over God's Best Friend? And I think as I'm sitting there with my jaw about touching the floor that Lucas was enjoying it. I think I could hear him snickering while I freaked out. I immediately went to the Tonga sight and studied the players and realized Jenne and Taylor had both played and their posts in that forum were quite similar. Taylor and Jenne were quite the duo.
So I did what any paranoid, neurotic, feelings-on-their-sleeve Survivor player would do....I wallowed in self-pity for a bit then I took it straight to Taylor---who ASSURED me that Jenne was not trustworthy and that I would be his pick for final 2 no matter what. I said OK....but i was never settled with Taylor after that. He was one of my favorite people in the game (I mean I don't get man crushes for nothing ;D) but there was doubt there for the rest of my time in the game.
Another addition to my paranoia was Lucas' revelation that he found out Jamie and I knew each other from Hawaii. I quickly assured him that Jamie and I weren't tight, and we really weren't. We had been on separate tribes in Hawaii and had formed an alliance once we merged, but I NEVER trusted her because she was so shady. We were each other's biggest competitors in the challenges so it made me nervous that she knew in VD what kind of a player I was, and I her.
BUT, that meant that Lucas and Jamie were talking...
*sirens sirens sirens*
You would've thought days 13-15 in Valentine's Day were a regular war zone....or tornado ally....because I heard the alarms every time I turned around. (Living in Texas i REALLY know what that is like)
So I decided right there that Lucas had to go. He wasn't going before Lil Stevie, but he was going the next time we attended tribal council. He knew too much about me, and he was making me WAY too nervous.
And Jamie...i was conflicted with not wanting to target her just because of Hawaii...but I knew she was going to be just as much of a competitor in Holidays as she was in Hawaii. I knew i was going to have to watch her.
But for the time being....I would say nothing to anyone.
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Post by Jenne on Apr 26, 2005 16:45:02 GMT -5
*glares at mikey for breaking our pact* Kyle, i still don't believe you were so busy strategizing. you were supposed to be swooning and following me around the whole game like a sweet lil puppy. UGH! why don't men do as they are told! love the commentaries...seeing a whole new side to your game I never knew before. keep it up kinky!!! gaining a whole new respect for your gameplay. I just wish you hadn't doubted me so much bout all the drama. It seems that no one really believed me at the time and dismissed it as some big scheme. but honestly, if you think about it, it woulda been a pretty stupid scheme because it drew an unbelievable amount of attention onto Lucas and myself. We NEVER would have stepped into the limelight like that if we didn't feel it was necessary. We both understood we took a HUGE risk game wise with that incident and really it wasn't the game we cared about at that point. I think "lucas" and "Gracie" were the only ones who really got what i was going through. but i think everyone has since reversed their original opinions and have seen the truth for themselves. nuff said! *luvs on kyle some more*
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Post by Kyle on Apr 26, 2005 22:51:04 GMT -5
The only reason, straight up, that I had a hard time believing the drama at first was because of how involved Lucas was. Way back then, I just figured that no one knew each other and everyone had just met. I couldn't understand why he was so involved except that a huge scheme was going on so that he could get Mitch out as soon as possible.
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